ride share advice

topic posted Thu, May 22, 2008 - 9:38 PM by 
Share/Save/Bookmark
Advertisement
this is a re-post from another burner (jarJar)

Its that time of year again when many of us are making plans for the playa. One of the major plans is how we are getting there which often includes carpooling with other burners we may or may not know very well. I was thinking about my personal experiences with this and realized there some things I have learned over the years that are important to share with the community.



Things to remember when offering or accepting rides to and from burning man.



1) DRUGS. Truth is our community is varied, some of the people have good jobs that have security clearances or other stringent requirements that absolutely prevent them not only from partaking in any form of illegal substance, but they also would risk losing their careers if they were found to have contraband in their vehicles or on their vehicles passengers. On the other hand there are many in the community who do choose to have this as part of their life. Regardless of where you stand in life it is very important that you have this discussion with all passengers prior to accepting or offering a ride. Unfortunately however even this is not always honored, for example last year when we offered a ride to a fellow burner we were adamant that absolutely no drugs or illegal substances could be in the vehicle. Unfortunately this person chose to violate this and brought a large bag of pot along that we did not find out about until we were half way there. this person not only broke their word but also endangered the career of the vehicle owner. Fortunately they were not pulled over. However I have heard other stories that show how responsible others are, for example another burner in the community had the same rule for there passengers. When one of the passengers had some extra "gifts" left over after the burn that passenger found someone else to take the gift home in another vehicle rather than break the agreement. That is the right and honorable thing to do.

The moral: Know who your riding with, ask others does this person keep there word?



2) CASH. everyone has a different way of splitting expenses. But you need to be clear up front. If you are asking for a certain dollar contribution towards gas, get it before you leave. Things happen its better to not have this hanging in the air. Another approach is alternating who uses a card to put gas in the tank (only do this if you feel confident your passengers card will clear) I have known too many people who have had bad experiences of passengers never giving them the promised contributions, it can ruin friendships. So just get it before you leave and be firm.



3) DEPARTURES. It never fails every year I hear of someone having some issue with a passenger about departures sometimes its leaving town (they were not ready, they were not clear as to where they were at) or issues leaving the playa they would not or could not leave at the set time. Or a driver left a passenger on playa with just a note saying they left early they would have to find another ride, Or a ride had to leave due to a medical emergency only to have a passenger dangerously delay them, Or a passenger decide to leave with another person but leaves all there gear to there ride to take care of for them and take to there home, or...

you get the idea there are hundreds of things that can go wrong however some common courtesy and remembering the principles can go a long way toward handling these things appropriately.



a) set a EXACT time and location for leaving both home and the playa.



b) set how you will contact the other parties should some event require the driver to leave the playa sooner than planned (shit happens people!) Its important that you have a way to get a hold of your riders.



c)If for some reason you are a driver and must leave, you owe your riders the courtesy of letting them know face to face if at all possible.

d) IF you are a rider whose ride needs to leave for medical reasons, by all means you need to go or you need to quickly figure out how you and your gear are going home



e) If you chose to go home with others other than your planned ride you need to take your gear too. IF you can not take your gear keep in mind those hauling and dropping off your gear are doing you a HUGE favor. You need to guarantee them a secure place to drop it off and if you can’t guarantee that then you are tasking a risk with your things and that’s not the responsibility of the people who transported your gear sans you. (remember we are currently living in the highest meth use state, many burners on this list had gear stolen from yards and porches this year, have gear dropped off at your own risk)



f) if you do not show up and are packed at the pre set time.... prepare to be left. This is about radical self reliance its not others responsibility to wait on you, take care of you, pack for you or find you.



I hope these tips may help others avoid some of the pit falls of playa ride sharing this year. Every year there are stories maybe this year there will be fewer.
posted by:
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • Re: ride share advice

    Fri, May 23, 2008 - 8:50 AM
    good advice. I met my co-pilot a few weeks before we left for the burn. He had references from mutual friends that were very clear and accurate. I knew he wouldn't share expenses equally, but he did more than 60% of the driving, and there's no way I would have made it as fast alone. We had only one difficult moment of conversation during the way out, but then we both maturely agreed to examine ourselves and it was ok to disagree a bit.
    I trusted my gut when we first met. .. said to myself...you're not going to fall in love or have a torried affair with this one, he's gonna be like a brother. And that's exactly how it worked.
    I"d do it again.
  • Re: ride share advice

    Mon, May 26, 2008 - 4:43 AM
    that is great advice, every single point is something i have either experienced or know someone who did.
    • Re: ride share advice

      Fri, June 27, 2008 - 2:06 PM
      Well said.
      Thank you for compiling this list.
      Smooches
      • Re: ride share advice

        Fri, June 27, 2008 - 4:12 PM
        That is so great to remind people about all of this! There was a year where I rode up with someone and my ride home never materialized and I was left at the mercy of "Playa-dipity" It all worked out in the end and we drove all night and somehow I made it home (just in time to go to work in 1 hour!) but talk about much stress in the meantime.

        All of those bad things happened-people leaving early without warning, the "ride home" breaking down, someone showing up to give me a ride at 4 PM when she told me to be ready at 6am (10 hours after she said she would come because she met an "amazing guy" the night before.....) no room for any of my stuff because she had promised a ride home to another stranded person, an unplanned detour of about 4 hours to drop that someone else off . After that there was a stop in a bar to meet some other people (I didn't know about till THAT we were there). Three hours later we left at 2 am when the bar closed and still had to to drive around 400 miles home so we could be at work the next day.....delays, delays, delays. It all worked out in the end...but talk about stressful!

        Despite the costs and wear and tear on my vehicle (driving about 1100 mi. Round Trip) I have this need to drive myself out there ever since --so at least I am sure of how I am going to get home!

        I know people with less dependable cars so have ended up having passengers every Burn since that one....so have something to add- remember at the end of the week that you really liked your riders at the beginning of the week and cut them a little slack ;-)

        I say this because last year I drove up with two friends from the default world and we had a good trip up. Happy, enthusiastic, got along famously. I didn't camp with them during the week so sometime on Sunday afternoon we started to make the "exodus" plan....by then we were all exhausted and cranky and sniping at each other. We hadn't really made an agreement about when we would leave, but the peeps I drove out were so exhausted they wanted to leave right away before the Temple Burn (and I wanted to leave after it). We had trouble getting all of our stuff back in the car (the 4 bags of garbage we'd accumulated during the week didn't help!) Even leaving before the Temple Burn we were caught in a 3 hour Exodus. We were all so tired no one wanted to drive.....so of course I had to. Then we were all so exhausted that at some point on the road between Gerlach and Fernley no one in the car COULD drive any more and we slept in the car in a pullout beside the road. Uncomfortable (and not much sleep) to say the least! We got in an argument about where we should dump the garbage (the other two wanted to dump it at a truck stop in Fernley-4 big bags-and I said "No" after reading a thread about how wrong it was), which led to an argument and resentment about garbage still being in the car the other 500 miles. Then there was bickering about where to eat lunch, what route to take, whose turn it was to drive, I think even what to listen to at one point although that argument didn't involve me.....it goes on and on.

        Next time we are agreeing on all of that on the way up, instead of winging it when we are tired, exhausted and cranky, so no one resents being out-voted (an out -whined) by others!

        Oh, and luckily we were all easy going enough to call and apologize for our snarky Post-Burn Behaviors about a week later. That is something you should probably bring up with any Newbies in your car when you're fresh and enthusiastic on the drive up...."By the end of the week we will probably hate each other, but this is totally normal and this too shall pass....."
        • Re: ride share advice

          Sat, June 28, 2008 - 12:32 PM
          I'm GOING!!!!! Finally bought a ticket, my road partner confirmed last night!!! YAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!
          Can't wait to see all you beautiful goddessess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Re: ride share advice

    Sat, June 28, 2008 - 5:20 PM
    That is great advice....on our first year we had issues with 1-4.
    Last year we had no issues at all because we were much more
    clear on our expectations,communicated better, and chose more
    carefully. It was a wonderful trip last year. Taking these things
    into consideration can make a HUGE difference on your experience.

    Listen to Gigi, she's a wise woman,

    Vixxen
    • Re: ride share advice

      Mon, June 30, 2008 - 8:22 AM
      All great advice Gigi, I'm going to add on to it with a few additional considerations....

      1. Tickets- Remember that NO tickets will be sold at the gate this year, so I've always had everyone in the vehicle take out there ticket/will call confirmation to make sure that they didn't forget it. Believe me it's happened to people I know, that they've made it all the way to the gate and realized that their ticket is sitting on the counter at home. You will need a will call confirmation to pick up your ticket allong with ID.

      2. Early Entry- If you are on an early entry list, all persons in your vehicle must be on an early entry list. Make sure that people have their early entry confirmations in case the list/computer goes down out there. If you get to the gate and someone in your car is not on the early entry list, the entire car will be turned arround. You can't leave them at the gate.

      3. Your Ride- make sure that your car is road worthy before leaving. Have the fluids checked and make sure that you have a roadside safety kit, jack, good spare, etc. Check lights, brake lights, turn signals. Tie down your load securely. Attach a red flag to your bike rack if it sticks out behing your vehicle.

      4. Legal Stuff- Make sure that you have current registration and proof of insurance on your vehicle.


      Hope you all have a safe and fun journey.
  • Re: ride share advice

    Mon, August 10, 2009 - 7:47 AM
    Wise words--now if I could only find a RIDE!!!


    . Looking for a ride from the East Bay or thereabouts--I'll get myself to where YOU are leaving from if need be.

    Not a lot of stuff--the usual. Tent, chair, cooler, 3 bins for clothing and food--a couple of small odds and ends.

    Will pay for half your gas and help drive if you would prefer.

    Looking to arrive on the Playa sometime Monday before sundown--can leave whenever from here. If you are arriving early to set up a camp, I'll work on getting my own early arrival pass....

    Looking to depart the Playa anytime from right after the Temple Burn until Monday late afternoon/early evening.

    I'm a no-drama person who won't drive you crazy on the trip there and back.

    Send me a PM if you have space and would like a rider.

    OR-----I'll take a rider if you need a ride. I have a small pickup truck. Am just hoping not to have to take it to the Playa if I can avoid it. Same arrival and departure scenario.

Recent topics in "Burning Woman"

Topic Author Replies Last Post
t-shirts that make you go hmm. thriver 6 December 26, 2009
santacon 2009 thriver 36 December 23, 2009
Building infastructure on the playa sati 1 December 19, 2009
Got an opinion? Let me have it! Suzyque 0 December 15, 2009