my bf is seriously obsessed with baseball. it's to the point where he told me today that he won't come over tomorrow if he can't watch the game. for real? seriously. he doesn't seem to grasp the idea that he doesn't have to watch it absolutely every day (which he does do). one night off per week won't kill him, will it? it's not like i ask him to turn off the game when i'm at his place. i don't see how it's unreasonable that i ask that the one night he's at my place that he focus on something other than the yankees. i don't think that tomorrow night is some big game... like playing the red sox or something like that...

i am seriously at a tipping point here. the season has *just* begun and I don't want to watch it for one minute in my own home. as it is, i already gave him the ok to check the score while he's over. at his place, fine. it's his home. when i'm there the game is on. ok, no problem.

do i seem unreasonable?

sorry for the whiny post.... especially since it's my first. but, it's getting to be where this could honestly be a dealbreaker. i don't like playing second fiddle to baseball and i need to know if i'm crazy.

thanks a bunch for reading.

xoxo
posted by:
Caroline
New York City
  • well, are ya just "whining" or do ya really want some input?

    frankly, if the game is one night, and its a must do and see for him, maybe ya can shift your plans to compromise and do something the next night....

    if you had something you were REALLY into, and he wanted to change that, how would that feel for you..

    it makes for better relations if ya can find a compromise that works, your relationship will go a lot further and everyone be happy if ya can find a place to meet and join rather than try to control what he does, or he control what you do...

    everyone of us have something that means something to us and if we have to give it up it doesnt feel so great.. sometimes making the sacrifice is sweet, but not if it's an expectation...

    try to allow him his space for his "obsession" and in return I would hope he would do the same for you if it can down to that....

    for me it's all about Nascar, Damn I hate to miss a race, good thing for Tivo... but even so, its not live and I hate to miss it.. used to be football.. ahh well... anyway....

    hope it all works out for ya.... I know it's not pleasant to give up the time ya want to spend with him, but having a talk about it and finsing the space ya both can live with will help, if that doesnt work for ya then maybe he isnt the right one.. <shrug>

    Hope it all comes together...

    Bare
    • <if you had something you were REALLY into, and he wanted to change that, how would that feel for you.. >

      Right...one upside to my recent breakup is that I now have time to dance (rehearse, take class, teach class) 4-5 times a week, most of them weeknights. My ex didn't have a problem with my dancing at all, but we wouldn't have seen each other much if I'd been dancing as much as i am now and that would have created more strain for sure. Not sure what will happen when I need to make time in my life for someone new...for now I think I'll just keep dancing and not worry about it ;)

      Sorry for slight hijack...carry on...
      • I don't think you're unreasonable, but that doesn't mean you can get him to be reasonable. I had a guy like that many years ago, it was one of many dealbreakers that took me about a year to figure out.
        Either accept this, or let him go. Is there anything else you want the freedom to enjoy that he would otherwise restrict, to use as a bargaining chip?
    • i *definitely* want input. thank you.

      but if it were just one night a week, then i could understand. but baseball isn't... it's just about every night for sixth months, with the occasional night off..... if it were just one night every week, no problem watching. but it's just about 7 days a week and he watches all of them... including when i'm over his place (which i'm not a fan of, but hey, it's his home).

      i've been trying to get some sort of compromise with him all day. we normally get along so well on so many different levels and i've compromised on so many different things that i can't even begin to list.... but it does seem to me that he's trying to control our time during the season.... and maybe i am too for that *one* night when he's over. we generally spend far more time at his place since he's located in manhattan, rather than queens.

      the fact is, he'd rather watch a bunch of guys on a field than spend *1* night with me without the tv on.
      • well, then ya definitely have some communication that's gonna have to happen or this is not gonna work....

        so, go to someplace neutral, not your homes, and have a talk about this...

        tell him how you feel, and encourage him to tell you how he feels...

        I hate the saying, but sadly it seems to be real and the guy that said it nailed it...

        He may not be that into you... But, I don't know THAT to be true....

        if you can find some common ground to either get interested in sharing his passion, and encourage him to join you in some of your passions then ya have a far better chance of this lasting a long time..

        My guy HATES nascar, so he goes and tinkers with his stuff that I dont care for.. BUT, tis true it's NOT everyday of the week, and Yes, during season, Baseball is just about if not every day..

        ya can't change him, he is what he is and he will do what he wants, and if ya dont want to join him in it then ya have to find a passion of your own, or try to get interested in his.....

        now, I amnot saying to give in and just be alone the entire sesaon, that isn't fair to you. and he really would be much more considerate if he would choose to give ya a little more time....

        just dont demand it of him unless you are prepared for him to make a choice and IF he is as obsesssed as you believe the choice may not be you..... can ya live with that?

        find a time and place that is neutral and have a very open Honest discussion about what and how you feel, and allow him his say as well.... dont judge, just listen.. and then look for the common ground...

        I dont hear you saying you want him to give it up, but I think I hear you saying you want him to want to spend more time with you.. and you're pretty set on when ya want it... if ya can find time before the game or after the game...... that may work..

        nascar runs for about 3 -4 hours and I watch it from beginning to end... so, we either plan before the race or after the race, and so far its workin for us.....

        hope ya can find the compromise and common ground.. and ya both get what ya want... sometimes that happens.. and sometimes it doesnt.. but at least its worth the try.....

        and it's ok to whine about it.. as long as ya know it most likely will NOT change the fact that he is gonna watch his games no matter how much ya whine.. all the whining will do is cause you stress and create an issue in your relationship that may break it.....

        so, take stock of what ya want.. what are your expectations, and what are YOU willing to do,,,, and, the same goes for him....

        Regards....
        Bare
  • this is completely off-topic, but....

    as soon as i read the first couple lines, the opening from "damn yankees" began to play in my head:
    www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/da...ryyear.htm

    my advice: be wary if he mentions anyone named lola.

    .... and now back to other people's useful advice....
    • oh man, I DESPISE major league type sports (not all sports, but especially the baseball-football-basketball crap) Sorry! My ex-husband was way into basketball. It was like how you're describing the boyfriend, just fanatical. I got really pissed when he went in with his brother on a special season-long PPV cable package for the local basketball team that cost something like _$265_ and that was well over ten years ago. Can you see the steam escaping from my ears?! Jesus christ , that was just to watch games on TV.

      I am no pro at communication, being level-headed, or obviously keeping my marriage going or anything but in my case I am fairly certain in my husband's case there were equal parts enjoyment of the game AND _passive aggresive ignoring of me_ going on, you know what I'm saying? In the end my husband just wasn't that into me. You gotta ask yourself how much time do you want to wait around until his sports crap is done. A baseball game takes how many hours?! Sheesh.
      • haha. i can relate. both my brothers & father are definitely major league sports people... oddly, my bf normally wouldn't come across that way.... he's more musician-y and i'm far more athletic than he is. weird.

        mostly, we have a great time together and communicate ok. (there are some things that I clam up on, but have been trying not too). but this "i'm not coming over cuz you won't allow the game on" is crap. and it's not like i 100% hate baseball. i just hate watching it every day. i like playing.. was on the softball team when i was younger... i like actually *going* to the games.... hell, we even went to the batting cages this past weekend (i hit better than him too!) & for his birthday i got him tickets to the tour at yankee stadium. i feel like i do enough to appease him that a night off from it here & there shouldn't kill him.

        i'm sure it will get worked out. i know he cares and will frequently do things just to keep me happy.

        i'm just glad to know i'm not crazy for wanting time with me that *isn't* about baseball........
  • i'm a baseball lover myself... i wasn't brought up with sports, and didn't even know the rules of baseball, but when i was 38 years old, a friend invited me and my family to share the box seats for her work event since they had extra tickets... i said "i don't like crowds or sports, so if i don't like it, can i leave and wait at the car?"... i laugh to think of it, because i walked in, saw that green field, and those hot guys, and fell in love.

    within two years, i had begun to write a book about how to watch professional baseball (sadly, i never finished it), and went to 20 games a year... and if i wasn't there, i was either watching it or listening to it on the radio (which is really my favorite way, since the mind's eye is so much better than a tv screen to me). i started going to arizona in march for a week for spring training to see both the a's and the giants, then became a giants fan in 1989. i used to walk around with a tiny earplug wired behind my ear so i could be walking around and not missing a moment of the game. on the bus, at macy's, at work, at the flea market, there were moments i would yell out loud "yeah!" when someone hit a home run, and people would look at me like i had tourette's or something.

    i have a feeling some of you who know me are saying... wtf? but i love that game, it really is america's pasttime. baseball rocks.

    and i also know that you really cannot tell another person that the don't have to do something every day, if they think they want to. isn't that the goal in life, that we each get to decide what's fun, and then do that? someone who loves baseball loves baseball, and no one else gets a vote in it.

    so i feel for your boyfriend, it's a passion. and yeah, it's six days a week for six months, which is a problem if he insists on watching every game as it's played. you definitely should be able to have time together that isn't dominated by baseball in the background or the foreground.

    so what about tivo or some other way of recording the games? that would seem a fair compromise, then he never has to miss anything, and can watch the game later. you could set up a schedule so he'll know which games he wants to watch live, and work your other activities around that... and ask him if he'd be willing to record the games that conflict with your together-time so he still gets his fix. i'd say work on it now, because as you know already, it gets worse later in the season.

    i wish you luck with that... i know my ex-husband was often dealing with the same thing, he had no interest in sports at all, and here his wife turns into one of those crazy sports fans on him! when someone invited me to a football game, i said no, that my marriage wouldn't have been able to take me into another major sport. no way. (plus i hate football :^)
    • >so what about tivo or some other way of recording the games? that would seem a fair compromise, then he never has to miss anything, and can watch the game later. you could set up a schedule so he'll know which games he wants to watch live, and work your other activities around that... and ask him if he'd be willing to record the games that conflict with your together-time so he still gets his fix. i'd say work on it now, because as you know already, it gets worse later in the season. <

      sounds reasonable enough to me, but i honestly don't see him agreeing to it.... for him to record it and watch it later, means then he's watching more than 1 game per day, which he really doesn' t have the time for (and he'll readily admit that). is every game really that important? passion or not, it seems crazy. tonight, yankees v. red sox, i can understand.... huge rivalry there. but tomorrow? i think they're playing baltimore. (hard for me to tell from the online schedule... i don't know all the abbreviations). i can't imagine that that is a game he absolutely *has* to see. granted, there's nothing else for us going on tomorrow... i just don't want all of our time hampered by baseball..... which it's becoming since he can't go anywhere unless he gets to see his game.
      • Time for the Pros and Cons list.
        When you're done with the list, sit down with him in front of the game... and (with a Very Good Sense of Humor (No Sarcasm!!!)) keep up a running commentary on which of the players look like they're wearing underwear, jockstrap or are free-balling it. Point out on the TV where/why you think what you think. Change your mind about who's wearing what and fill him in on every detail and why you changed your mind. Appreciate (out loud) the physical attributes of the more toned players when they do something exceptional on the field. (Oh, honey! Did you see his butt divot flex when he went to field that ball? Oh, that's just so muscular, isn't it?) Bring him another beer. Then change your mind again about who's/what. Point out on the screen why you think the player's freeballing, not strapped... Lament the players who have extra-long shirts tucked in. Ask him what he'd wear if he was a professional baseball player. Tell him what You think he should wear (and compliment his body-type.) Keep him talking and involved during the whole game.

        NOT punatively, just... participating in what YOU might find interesting about the players and the game.

        (I go to the game with some girlfriends and we do just that with our binoculars, up in the stands.
        Coupla beers, flying peanut shells, garlic fries, hard buns in tight baseball trousers, with some binocs and you've got a good afternoon with the girls.)
        • HEIDI, MARRY ME!!! I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!

          Ok, all better now.... Phewwww!!

          ya know I Love eveyrthing you write its always soooo right on....

          YES!!! THAT is a GREAT Idea. I have always heard said, the way to change em is to get involved... LOL!!

          or, as Leslie mentions ya find out that ya really do enjoy the game afterall

          I HATED baseball growing up, BUT My dad watched EVERY game, kept the stats, could tell ya everything about the game going back to the 1930's maybe more..

          he was a detroit tigers fan, he died the year they won the series... 1984 they beat the padres. I realized then that HIS passion became mine just cuz I loved him so much and wanted to share his delight in the game..

          I actually enjoyed baseball for awhile until the FIRST strike and then I didnt like it anymore.. was a Football fan, Like my dad, until Steve Young and Jerry Rice left the 9ers and then decided I had enough of football too...

          now I'm a nascar girl... as was mentioned, when ya have a passion for something its difficult to give it up, SO.... if ya can't beat em join em, and so far Heidi has the best plan yet LOL!!

          Mmmm Mmmm Becky Look at HIS butt LOL!!!

          Enjoy!
          Bare
      • i must have missed something... if he tivo's the game because he's with you, and watches it later, why would he be watching more thanone game in one day? it's just time-shifting to a time that works better. and recording might give him some freedom.

        so yes, i think an honest conversation, and letting him know you expect him to come up with a workable compromise with you, is the first step. and if he wouldn't go for recording the games some nights in order to spend time with you... that's not good. personally, even as someone who loves baseball, i wouldn't paralyze my life for six months with it... if i were in a relationship with someone who wouldn't even compromise by recording the game to watch later... that would be a sign of something pretty important.

        is it that important? you get to decide that. (funny, i have sex and the city on in the background, and it's the one where they've gone to see the yankees play ;^)
  • My two cents is...peace will only be had with a non-sports partner, unless you are a sports chick. I finally found one. Couldn't be happier.

    And the other ones were gay, in the bad-denial sort of way. Kidding, but you know what I mean. Chooch wins over anything on tv.
    • Yeah, mixed relationships don't work. I'm a biker, at the end of it all, ain't giving up my bike for no one, so if a guy don't ride, he's not ever gonna fully get into my world, even as varied with artists and musicians and burners and freeks as it is. Fortunately, bikers tend not to be very into sports.
      You have to negotiate things in every relationship, and we're all pretty stubborn about our passions.
      anyone know an artist-musician-burner-freek-biker for me? ;-)
      • Well, I'm an artist-musician-burner-freek-biker. I ride my own Harley.... Paint, sing, listen, freak, etc. But I think you meant a guy. No such luck. I settled for a non-biker, but he's so fabulous in all other ways, supportive of my riding, and willing to drive to meet me on rides, that it works.
  • Thank you everyone!

    Fri, April 18, 2008 - 6:25 AM
    thank you everyone for your advice, comments and other input. we had a long conversation last night (after the game, of course) and i think, in the long run, we'll be able to work it out.

    for tonight, he's coming over and making me dinner and we're going to try and find Fever Pitch (with limited interruptions to check the game score).

    we both got a load off our shoulders, which was desperately needed on both our parts.

    thanks so much for allowing me to vent a bit here so that i could talk to him reasonably last night.

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